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cheetum · Mar 16, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist

I read this three times, but I still don't understand. Can anyone explain please?

to explain in detail:

in your UI settings you can set a single key to select each party member individually. in PVP where you can see each players numbers, it can be more efficient to select them by just pressing one key on your keyboard. however, in PVE the party members are not numbere so in large groups its often difficult to tell when someone lower down the party list is losing health, what number they are without mentally counting down, which if course is not efficient.

i believe what the OP was attempting to do was to manual write the numbers on his screen, probably using transperent tape and a pen, but that is also not terribly efficient :P

cheetum · Mar 16, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

personally, i have tried various methods. I currently (for all characters) use keyboard defaults for most tasks like movement, skill selection etc... for targetting I use tab key to target nearest, T for called targets, and mouse 4 and 5 to cycle targets (next and previous target). when I monk, I have just accepted that the most easiest and most efficient method for me is just to use the mouse pointer to select party members (and allies, which are not key-mappable anyway). this works fine since i really dont use the mouse pointer for anything else other then drawing male genitals on the radar screen.

(just kidding about that last part

)

one thing however that does bother me the most is that i cannot use shift, alt, and/or ctrl to toggle keysets. what i mean is, in most games is a single key (TAB for example) can do up to 7 different functions depending on whether or not you are holding down the shift, alt, and/or ctrl keys. This makes it possible for me to use the keyboard to do just about every function possible with just the few keys in reach of one hand, while using the mouse almost exclusively for camera views and movement. This is the method i use for most games.

Dralspire · Mar 16, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

I recently felt a need to change my keyboard layout. I had originally used the numeric keypad for the party member selection and the row of number keys for spells (sometimes I also used the mouse to select the respective spell on the screen).

I always felt that this approach had some shortcomings. In particular, selecting allies/pets was difficult. Because of that, I have switched the spells to the numeric keypad and now use the mouse to select the party members that need the respective spell.

It has been an interesting change, and it took me quite a while (at least an hour

) to stop casting the wrong spells on the wrong people, but now that I am further along the learning curve, I start feeling the benefits of the new setup.

Masseur · Mar 16, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30

I keep my left hand on the numbers at the top, fingers on 2, 3 and 4, middle finger on the 3. My 5 most used heals are there, 1 and 5 are easily reached as well and once you get the hang of it, 6 is too. 7 and 8 are like heal party (or whatever else is needed for that mission/quest) and rez. I keep my mouse up in the party area clicking on the name of who I am healing and/or double clicking the target to help with dmg in between healing. This works very well for me.

Cherno · Mar 16, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

I love using the numberpad to heal. I almost never touch my mouse when playing. The only time I did was when picking up loot. Now with th ; and space bar I don't even have to do that much. I wish the ; space option only highlight loot assigned to you instead of targetting the nearest all the time.

sambotheman · Mar 16, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

is it possible to set up the keys so you xan have one when you dont monk and when when you do or do you have to keep changing the setup

yesitsrob · Mar 16, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

What I'm failing to understand here is how people use the number row to do skills - use the num pad to select party members and.... how do they remove a holy veil? with their third hand which is using the mouse?

I personally use the mouse to select party members and move - and have skills 7 and 8 set up on the mouse - normally have infuse as one of them

Count to Potato · Mar 16, 2006, 04:17 PM // 16:17

You don't need a mouse to play guildwars, I barely use a mouse anyway... When I run people i just press r and use stancesand charge

Feminist Terrorist · Mar 16, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheetum

to explain in detail:

in your UI settings you can set a single key to select each party member individually. in PVP where you can see each players numbers, it can be more efficient to select them by just pressing one key on your keyboard. however, in PVE the party members are not numbere so in large groups its often difficult to tell when someone lower down the party list is losing health, what number they are without mentally counting down, which if course is not efficient.

i believe what the OP was attempting to do was to manual write the numbers on his screen, probably using transperent tape and a pen, but that is also not terribly efficient :P

Ahh. I rarely fiddle with my UI anymore, since I'm never happy with it anyway. Didn't realize you could do things like that. As for the tape and pen, rofl.

Phrozen_ · Mar 16, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesitsrob

What I'm failing to understand here is how people use the number row to do skills - use the num pad to select party members and.... how do they remove a holy veil? with their third hand which is using the mouse?

Well the only way to remove holy veil would be to take your right hand off the numpad and use the mouse to cancel it.

healer of ascalon · Mar 16, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Wouldn't it be easier to heal party members by clicking on their name in the little box to the right of the screen?

Thy Shadow Wolf · Mar 17, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

I find it so much quicker while monking to use the numpad. In the time that it would take me to move my mouse to the person's # and then select a skill, if dealing with a spike the could be quite dead by then. It takes quite a long time to get use to (I still start to sway in long matches), but once you get it down, it's much quicker.

audioaxes · Mar 17, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by forever

How do you do this? Do you mean you can select target by number? I don' think the current UI has this function.

ya ive searched into this before and havent found a way to select pvp enemies by number

TheMosesPHD · Mar 17, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

EDIT: Turned my triple post into a single post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheetum

to explain in detail:

in your UI settings you can set a single key to select each party member individually. in PVP where you can see each players numbers, it can be more efficient to select them by just pressing one key on your keyboard. however, in PVE the party members are not numbere so in large groups its often difficult to tell when someone lower down the party list is losing health, what number they are without mentally counting down, which if course is not efficient.

i believe what the OP was attempting to do was to manual write the numbers on his screen, probably using transperent tape and a pen, but that is also not terribly efficient :P

It's official guys, mental math is no longer efficient. btw in PvP I don't recall the party bar displaying the names any different than in PvE. The only place numbers show up are out on the 3D field below the names. There are only max 8 players. the top is one. below that is two. the bottom is 8, above that is 7. the middle two are 4 and 5, and if it's not one of those, it's gotta be 3 or 6.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheetum

one thing however that does bother me the most is that i cannot use shift, alt, and/or ctrl to toggle keysets. what i mean is, in most games is a single key (TAB for example) can do up to 7 different functions depending on whether or not you are holding down the shift, alt, and/or ctrl keys. This makes it possible for me to use the keyboard to do just about every function possible with just the few keys in reach of one hand, while using the mouse almost exclusively for camera views and movement. This is the method i use for most games.

I totally agree. They really need to add in the ability to do combo commands with Shift Ctrl or Alt. This way healing with a keyboard would be awesome because I would be able to select party members and use a given numbered skill with one hand, and still have enough keysettings to be able to use other functions without getting into crazy keysets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count to Potato

You don't need a mouse to play guildwars, I barely use a mouse anyway... When I run people i just press r and use stancesand charge

What's great though is at the same time you don't really always need a keyboard to play GW :P When it's late and I'm tired and I'm doing PvE the mouse is a tired mans best friend.

yesitsrob · Mar 17, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Phrozen_

Well the only way to remove holy veil would be to take your right hand off the numpad and use the mouse to cancel it.

that to me just makes the whole using the numpad thing a bit silly - the amount of time it takes to get the mouse pointer in the right place and the fact you have to move your hand off the numpad to the mouse... wow, the slowest hex removal ever. Now think of the scenario where you are preveiled and you want to remove a migraine before the conjure cover is applied - if you had to move your hand off the numpad first you wouldn't make it, and then they'd interrupt all your spells with ease - and the other monk on your teams let the same thing happen to him - all your spell attempts are interrupt, you die, gg

Phrozen_ · Mar 17, 2006, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesitsrob

that to me just makes the whole using the numpad thing a bit silly - the amount of time it takes to get the mouse pointer in the right place and the fact you have to move your hand off the numpad to the mouse... wow, the slowest hex removal ever. Now think of the scenario where you are preveiled and you want to remove a migraine before the conjure cover is applied - if you had to move your hand off the numpad first you wouldn't make it, and then they'd interrupt all your spells with ease - and the other monk on your teams let the same thing happen to him - all your spell attempts are interrupt, you die, gg

I leave the cursor right next to the upkeep cost icon, so all i do is double click

Grimm · Mar 17, 2006, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

EDIT: Turned my triple post into a single post.
It's official guys, mental math is no longer efficient. btw in PvP I don't recall the party bar displaying the names any different than in PvE. The only place numbers show up are out on the 3D field below the names. There are only max 8 players. the top is one. below that is two. the bottom is 8, above that is 7. the middle two are 4 and 5, and if it's not one of those, it's gotta be 3 or 6.

Completely untrue. In PvP, numbers show up next to party member names in the party window.

Yichi · Mar 17, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by umop apisdn

I usually play heal monk with the mouse and by clicking on the indivual names but when infusing, I always use the numpad.

Werd